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Baron vonDoom
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:10:00 -
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Better than the first pass - one thing of note though:
The MWD sig bonus - I plainly don't like it - not on AFs and not on HACs - it's good for some of the ships, but applying it to all of them just doesn't do some of the ships justice. E.g. the Zealot - not only would I still fit it with an AB solely for sig tanking, but it also lacks the cap to make that option attractive, even with the improved cap. The higher fitting demands of the MWD are another problem here - and good luck trying to fit a passive armor tanked MWD Zealot with beams...
Yes - I don't have to use the bonus - just as wll as I could also use an Aston Martin DB9 to plow the field - it just doesn't build upon its strengths.
Moreover, I see a problem your very own DPS graphs show quite nicely (as a matter of fact I understand the tracking formula and actually spend more time doing DPS graphs than playing the actual game): The sig bloom reduction helps them vs BS sized guns - mostly if mounted on BS, as decently piloted Tier 3 BCs can mitigate the problem somewhat thanks to their mobility.
Another thing your DPS graphs show (which made me really chuckle) is that they show how even after application of said bonus, a Tier 3 BC will do more damage against a HAC than a HAC itself - for less money and shorter training time (not sure about the latter after skill changes).
Needless to say that it isn't of much use against most medium sized turrets.
So what does that bonus help them against the most? Mostly BS, which apparently are the punching ball of this rebalancing.
HAC vs. BS performance never was their problem - the problem has always been their performance against T1 Battlecruisers - The introduction of Tech 3 cruisers and later Tier 3's aggravated the problem, the fact that T1 cruisers now outmaneuver HACs has aggravated it even more - and you give us a bonus that helps them against BS whilst posting DPS graphs that show how it wont help medium turret damage mitigation at all whilst corroborating that a Tier 3 BC will still out-DPS a Zealot between ~16-38 km against a HAC at max speed with the bonus applied and an angle of 60-¦.
Are you kidding?
An AB Speed bonus would deal with current issues far better. |
Baron vonDoom
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:44:00 -
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Kane Fenris wrote:
i tend to agree but i think then you woud have to dual prop fit the ships most of the time which isnt easy on every hull.
First of all, base speeds would have to be adjusted to at least match their T1 counterparts.
Then I'd actually suggest a dual role bouns: +50% AB speed and removal of capacitor capacity malus for MWDs.
I've lost my last Sac 4 years ago - never flew one since then.
Why? Not because I had issues vs BS, but because I could do everything I could do in a Sac better with a HAM-Drake for a fraction of the price. |
Baron vonDoom
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Posted - 2013.08.13 20:56:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:it makes it very hard for abcs to kill the hac.
Rises own DPS Graph shows how a Neutron Talos still outdamages a Zealot at hitting a Sac with the bonus between ~16-38 km at 60-¦ transversal and full speed - by the looks of it it's without drones and doesn't take into account that the Talos can mitigate some transversal through maneuvering.
Needless to say that the Talos is also faster and thus able to dictate range - bad times for a ham Sac, even with the missile velocity bonus.
I wouldn't exactly call that very hard.
It also shows quite nicely how medium turrets aren't really affected by the bonus (scorch pulses are the worst tracking short range turrets, so it will affect others even less), so it wont help vs. other turret BC's or Cruisers.
Totally warrants their cost and skilltime, really...
If you're worried about AB bonused HACs with 100 mn fits, CCP could easily make 100 mn propmods BS only. |
Baron vonDoom
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Posted - 2013.08.13 21:25:00 -
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Krissinator wrote:Quote:If you're worried about AB bonused HACs with 100 mn fits, CCP could easily make 100 mn propmods BS only.
INDEED!
Well - they should just make sure they only do it after HACs get a different bonus - I'm just on Sisi and god do they suck - 100 MN HM Sac is the only way I can imagine flying that POS atm. |
Baron vonDoom
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Posted - 2013.08.13 21:51:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Baron vonDoom wrote:If you're worried about AB bonused HACs with 100 mn fits, CCP could easily make 100 mn propmods BS only. Personally I can't think of creating artificial rules to prevent oversized module fitting as a good thing for any reason.
I completely agree - I even miss dual propmods being able to be activated the same time - left more room for creativity and surprising fits, but if it is what it takes to fix HACs and prevent that awful role bonus, I'd bite the bullet. |
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